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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 15, 2012 11:51:45 GMT -5
well basically is like any pop singer that's hot right now..i bet people said the same thing about whitney or mariah when they released #1 after #1 and some of their songs do sound similar....i could say the same thing about rihanna, a singer that i considered talentless and i'm tired of her getting so much success with songs that are nothing special. I think it's normal and part of the industry.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Feb 15, 2012 11:59:07 GMT -5
The thing is you could tell Mariah and Whitney apart from each other and other artists. They had unique and obvious talent. You heard them sing and you KNEW why they were signed. Their contemporaries that had less vocal talent such as Madonna and Janet made up for it with creativity and innovation. That's why I excuse Lady Gaga, because I think even though she's not special vocally, she brings extra thought with her music.
There were successful singers in the Katy/Rihanna family of singers back then too (Paula Abdul comes to mind) but I think they were less common and definitely less dominant. Today I think Adele and Alicia Keys kind of carry the torch for vocal talent, and they take their time between albums to try to put out albums that are just good without gimmicks. When they go into a recording studio, it's to make music... it's not to try to make quick cheap hits.
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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 15, 2012 12:05:41 GMT -5
i don't know i think every decade(maybe after 2000 is more common) there are talentless huge artist like Vanilla Ice or Paula Abdul. I don't wanna get into the gaga thing because i think she's overrated as hell, i think she stands out just for her looks and how ugly and weird she looks because music-wise her music is as bland as any trash you'd listen to when you go to ibiza, just how MIA said...her music is not deep and it's just as generic as the rest.
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Post by The Music Man on Feb 15, 2012 15:41:27 GMT -5
This song initially leaked way back in 2010 when the album first came out, so it's not "rush recorded." And she's far from the first artist to re-release a record for the sake of making more money, so I'm really not sure where the vehement hatred is coming from. This. This album kind of earned a re-release. Unlike many albums that get rereleased because they forgot to put hits on them ::coughushercough:: I don't blame her label. Radio and music buyers are eating Katy and stuff like "Part Of Me" up. The re-release and single are perfect business decisions and I'd honestly make the same ones if I were in the label's executive office. But that doesn't mean I, the consumer, am going to sit here and praise her musicality when she's really just releasing more generic crap. If she used this re-release to explore a different musical sound, I might be a bit more impressed.
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Post by angeltimes on Feb 16, 2012 15:04:32 GMT -5
Today I think Adele and Alicia Keys kind of carry the torch for vocal talent Absolutely not.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Feb 16, 2012 21:43:41 GMT -5
Today I think Adele and Alicia Keys kind of carry the torch for vocal talent Absolutely not. Who would you say then? Ciara? Rihanna? Ke$ha?
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Post by CLEM on Feb 17, 2012 2:30:10 GMT -5
Adele I'd agree with, Alicia not so much. She whines in too many of her songs. I think most of the general population would say that the big "voices" are Christina/Clarkson/Underwood/JHud.
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Post by RedDragon on Feb 17, 2012 10:44:07 GMT -5
Still #1 on iTunes.
Bullet +2221 at #26.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Feb 17, 2012 11:20:42 GMT -5
Adele I'd agree with, Alicia not so much. She whines in too many of her songs. I think most of the general population would say that the big "voices" are Christina/Clarkson/Underwood/JHud. Christina hasn't had a hit in years so I wouldn't call her current, though I do think she got her profile up enough where she might have a comeback with her next album. Still- she has a very polarizing voice. Many people say she screams rather than sings. Kelly- maybe she can hit the notes but her songs sound like typical Dr. Luke pop songs and rarely focus on her belting. Underwood- I don't think the general public even knows more than one song by her. She's a huge Country star, but that also widely limits her audience. Jennifer- I agree on the voice but she's never on the charts. She's yet to have a Pop hit and she's not even had more than a few Urban hits, none of which are chart topping. Alicia reminds me of the old time divas because she takes her time between albums and when she comes back, it's with her signature style and you can tell she went into the studio to make songs rather than hits. The hits just happen (and sometimes don't). I think Adele will be that type of artist too. I would probably also put Beyonce in this group.
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Post by angeltimes on Feb 17, 2012 14:56:48 GMT -5
Who would you say then? Ciara? Rihanna? Ke$ha? Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Clarkson, Beyonce, X-tina.
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Post by angeltimes on Feb 17, 2012 14:58:19 GMT -5
Adele I'd agree with, Alicia not so much. She whines in too many of her songs. I think most of the general population would say that the big "voices" are Christina/Clarkson/Underwood/JHud. Christina hasn't had a hit in years so I wouldn't call her current, though I do think she got her profile up enough where she might have a comeback with her next album. Still- she has a very polarizing voice. Many people say she screams rather than sings. Kelly- maybe she can hit the notes but her songs sound like typical Dr. Luke pop songs and rarely focus on her belting. Underwood- I don't think the general public even knows more than one song by her. She's a huge Country star, but that also widely limits her audience. Jennifer- I agree on the voice but she's never on the charts. She's yet to have a Pop hit and she's not even had more than a few Urban hits, none of which are chart topping. Alicia reminds me of the old time divas because she takes her time between albums and when she comes back, it's with her signature style and you can tell she went into the studio to make songs rather than hits. The hits just happen (and sometimes don't). I think Adele will be that type of artist too. I would probably also put Beyonce in this group. Are you talking about "carrying the vocal torch" or are you talking about pop hits? 2 totally different concepts. if you are talking about great vocalists, pop hits and album sales are irrelevant. And all the women listed are far superior singers to Adele and Alicia keys.
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Post by The Music Man on Feb 17, 2012 15:52:14 GMT -5
Are you talking about "carrying the vocal torch" or are you talking about pop hits? 2 totally different concepts. if you are talking about great vocalists, pop hits and album sales are irrelevant. And all the women listed are far superior singers to Adele and Alicia keys. Your latter point is certainly open to interpretation, but "carrying the vocal torch" doesn't only mean being the best vocalist. It also means being the most visible representative(s) for true vocal ability to mainstream audiences. If no one's actually hearing your vocal prowess - meaning, if no one's buying your albums or hearing you on the radio - then how can you possibly be "carrying the torch?" As for who's better...the four singers listed are all certainly talented, but a little more invested than Adele in hitting the so-called "glory notes." Adele's delivery is more soulful than Christina and Carrie. The best approach is entirely a matter of personal preference. Either way, I think we can all agree that Katy Perry doesn't belong on this list. LOL
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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 17, 2012 16:03:06 GMT -5
i think it's too soon to put Adele into that group because i can't see her building a long career in the US.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Feb 17, 2012 16:09:27 GMT -5
Are you talking about "carrying the vocal torch" or are you talking about pop hits? 2 totally different concepts. if you are talking about great vocalists, pop hits and album sales are irrelevant. And all the women listed are far superior singers to Adele and Alicia keys. They are two different thing. I agree with that. What I'm talking about are those rare artists who manage to do both at the same time.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Feb 17, 2012 16:12:02 GMT -5
Alicia is underrated as a vocalist. Just listen to the second verse on "Lesson Learned." Damnnn! Your latter point is certainly open to interpretation, but "carrying the vocal torch" doesn't only mean being the best vocalist. It also means being the most visible representative(s) for true vocal ability to mainstream audiences. If no one's actually hearing your vocal prowess - meaning, if no one's buying your albums or hearing you on the radio - then how can you possibly be "carrying the torch?" Yes. Exactly. LOL.
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Post by Robert J on Feb 18, 2012 0:50:02 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember the last time Alicia had a hit, to be honest. The only song I can remember from her in recent years is "Empire State of Mind," and she was a featured artist on that one.
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Post by Ammer on Feb 18, 2012 15:24:12 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember the last time Alicia had a hit, to be honest. The only song I can remember from her in recent years is "Empire State of Mind," and she was a featured artist on that one. The last one I remember is "No One".
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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 18, 2012 16:19:04 GMT -5
Yep thats her last huge hit
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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 20, 2012 11:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by Q on Feb 20, 2012 11:36:34 GMT -5
I think the question is very relative. It depends on who's vocal stylings you like. I think Adele is someone everyone can agree on, much like Whitney and Mariah. Everyone else is debatable. I personally think Christinas vocals are awful and don't really find Alicia's all that oustanding either. Carrie and Kelly are just fine, but not what I would call showstoppers. J.Hud probably is the next closest thing IMO.
Anyway "Part of Me" is on track to have the biggest sales week for a new song since "Born This Way" last year.
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Post by angeltimes on Feb 21, 2012 11:42:56 GMT -5
Are you talking about "carrying the vocal torch" or are you talking about pop hits? 2 totally different concepts. if you are talking about great vocalists, pop hits and album sales are irrelevant. And all the women listed are far superior singers to Adele and Alicia keys. Your latter point is certainly open to interpretation, but "carrying the vocal torch" doesn't only mean being the best vocalist. It also means being the most visible representative(s) for true vocal ability to mainstream audiences. If no one's actually hearing your vocal prowess - meaning, if no one's buying your albums or hearing you on the radio - then how can you possibly be "carrying the torch?" Jennifer Hudson is an extremely visible representative for true vocal ability. She is asked to perform EVERYWHERE because of her vocal ability and is recognized as such. Superbowl, Kennedy Center Honors, Grammys, Presidential performances, etc. It was HER they asked to tribute Whitney Houston at the Grammy's. She is requested to perform at every major event because of her voice. She may not be a huge album seller but she is most definitely highly regarding for carrying on the vocals for this generation. Kelly Clarkson also its that category. She has the most talked about Star Spangled Banner performance in years and she is a powerhouse vocalist and she i a good seller. Adele nor Alicia Keys can hold a candle to either of those women. Especially Alicia Keys. She sounds horrible live.
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Post by angeltimes on Feb 21, 2012 11:43:52 GMT -5
I think the question is very relative. It depends on who's vocal stylings you like. I certainly do not.
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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 22, 2012 13:46:40 GMT -5
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Post by CLEM on Feb 22, 2012 13:47:45 GMT -5
gross. i would've rather TOTGA get there than this crap
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Post by I HATE LA REID on Feb 22, 2012 13:48:41 GMT -5
i agree.
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