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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Apr 5, 2006 8:02:04 GMT -5
She better watch herself she doesn't want to pigeonhole herself and only be able to get Americans interested in her for only her Latin sounding uptempos. Yep, anyone who's a one-trick pony in the US has a limited time-frame for radio success. Madonna didn't have radio hits constantly for a 20 year period by only doing one style of song. I'm not saying Shakira is doing that. I'm just saying she needs to find a way to have a hit in a somewhat different style, and she's in danger of of not doing that. I think any other song from OF2 would flop since there's nothing left that sounds Latin, OR radio-friendly. So basically I'm concerned that her next English album will be all reggaeton-influenced stuff. (I personally would like that, and I bet radio would eat it up for awhile, but then what?) |
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Post by tozion on Apr 5, 2006 14:23:01 GMT -5
It's not like latin music never evolves, so I think Shakira can stay doing latin music for pop radio. Obviously pop radio doesn't want rock singles from a latin star so she doesn't really have the option of doing that until it works.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Apr 5, 2006 16:26:13 GMT -5
Latin music will always be popular, but "Latin" is kind of broad. It covers everything from Selena to Daddy Yankee to Ricky Martin to Frankie J. Shakira is a Latin artist, so I'm not saying she should abandon her Latin roots in song. I'm just saying she's in danger of falling into the trap of only being successful with a certain type of reggaeton-driven music assuming her next album sounds like "Hips Don't Lie," which I expect it too since that's how she'll get the quick hit.
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Post by tozion on Apr 5, 2006 16:34:00 GMT -5
How do we know that she'll only get airplay if she does reggaeton though? She got plenty of airplay in 2001 and early 2002 marketed as a latin pop star without doing reggaeton. So far all we know is that she does better with latin songs here than she does with rock and like you said, latin is a broad genre. So we don't know if 3 years from now if she releases something else latin.. we can't say it will flop just because it's not reggaeton. Reggaeton is just basically the most mainstream form of latin music right now.
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Apr 5, 2006 16:49:44 GMT -5
How do we know that she'll only get airplay if she does reggaeton though? She got plenty of airplay in 2001 and early 2002 marketed as a latin pop star without doing reggaeton. So far all we know is that she does better with latin songs here than she does with rock and like you said, latin is a broad genre. So we don't know if 3 years from now if she releases something else latin.. we can't say it will flop just because it's not reggaeton. Reggaeton is just basically the most mainstream form of latin music right now. What I'm basically saying is that she's not really leaving her window of acceptance open too wide. People are expecting a certain thing from her now, and when they don't get that, she flops. Reggaeton or not, she's expected to make sexy clubbangers now when until now she built her brand upon being more of an intellectual artist. So unless she can get a hit soon with something ina different style than that, Latin or otherwise, people will get over her as soon as they get over the whole fad in general. |
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Post by tozion on Apr 5, 2006 17:11:40 GMT -5
But Shakira has that option. The American public doesn't react well to her songs that have themes concerning the denial of a higher power or whatnot and there's really not much she can do about that. So if she's going to become a Gloria Estefan for the 2000's in the United States, than so be it. Because as it is right now, she has success here with latin uptempos and she had a hit with a poppy love ballad here. If she stood by her old style, she'd be a completely washed up two hit wonder now. Obviously she doesn't want that to happen so if Shakira is comfortable being a pop tart here, then I think she should be allowed. She's not really erasing that stigma by releasing her more intellectual material, because then people don't hear it at all and she'd be a washed up part tart from 2001.
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Post by tozion on Apr 5, 2006 17:16:00 GMT -5
...and I completely understand the thing about how she can become washed up easier if she sticks with one style, but if she stuck with rock.. she'd be washed up for a long time now already.. and every artist hits the point that they are "washed up" so Shakira is actually extending her time by releasing songs like this.
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Post by paulmcsky on Apr 5, 2006 17:19:33 GMT -5
well anyway it's her decision so i'd be happy if she releases good songs in spanish at least
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Post by hacorzo on Apr 5, 2006 18:31:06 GMT -5
Hips Dont Lie just re-opened the door for her. Now she can release almost any song from OF2 and at least it would go Top20. She may have another two or three singles out if this goes all the way to number 1.
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Post by tozion on Apr 5, 2006 18:34:07 GMT -5
Hips Dont Lie just re-opened the door for her. Now she can release almost any song from OF2 and at least it would go Top20. She may have another two or three singles out if this goes all the way to number 1. I still think she could bomb with the follow-up. "How Do You Do" is catchy, but the subject matter is way too much for pop radio and would turn off the entire conservative half of the country. A lot of the other songs are very good but in the same vein as "Don't Bother". I think her best option is easily "Illegal". If she gets lucky, it will be this album's "Underneath Your Clothes". After that, even though I'm not crazy about either song, I would go with either "Hey You" or "Animal City". A lot of my favorites are the ones that sound a lot like "Don't Bother" in being kind of 80's rock influenced. |
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Post by paulmcsky on Apr 5, 2006 18:42:15 GMT -5
i hate "Illegal" i like "Animal city" but not that much either
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Apr 5, 2006 19:28:11 GMT -5
...and I completely understand the thing about how she can become washed up easier if she sticks with one style, but if she stuck with rock.. she'd be washed up for a long time now already.. and every artist hits the point that they are "washed up" so Shakira is actually extending her time by releasing songs like this. I don't necessarily mean Rock. I just mean with "Hips Don't Lie," she's recycled "La Tortura" once already. I just hope her next made-purposely-for-radio song is something new and not a rehash, whether it be hip-hop, pure pop, rock, or AC for all I care. If she diversifies her portfolio by finding a way to get another big hit without any rehash, she'll have a lot more freedom with the type of songs she can make while still being a big radio artist. I do see what you're saying though and I agree that "Hips Don't Lie" is extending her career here. |
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Apr 5, 2006 19:30:49 GMT -5
Hips Dont Lie just re-opened the door for her. Now she can release almost any song from OF2 and at least it would go Top20. She may have another two or three singles out if this goes all the way to number 1. I hope, but I'm not sure. My favorite on the album is "The Day And The Time," and I can kind of see it being a little more radio-friendly than "Don't Bother." I agree with Josh that "Illegal" is probably her best bet though. It still bugs me that "Don't Bother" was never released to HAC, because that could have opened the door to a whole new radio format for her for some songs. I kind of think whatever the next single is, there may be a "radio remix." |
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Post by tozion on Apr 5, 2006 19:34:12 GMT -5
I kind of think whatever the next single is, there may be a "radio remix." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2006 2:29:01 GMT -5
This sounds amazing in the bars.
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Post by tozion on Apr 7, 2006 14:02:41 GMT -5
#14 +1362  |
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Post by Grenade on Apr 7, 2006 14:03:46 GMT -5
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Post by TotallyEnormousExtinctDinosaur on Apr 7, 2006 15:58:50 GMT -5
Wow, it's audience TOWERS over that of the other songs in its region of the chart.
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Post by Keeps gettin Better on Apr 7, 2006 16:01:17 GMT -5
this song is like stuck in my head i'm like singing it my head constantly!.........dam Shakira! ;D.........wow this song is blowing UP on pop! |
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Post by eclectic on Apr 7, 2006 18:33:23 GMT -5
Oh wow...
Yea this has been #1 on the z103.5 Top 6 @ 6 basically all week this week.
Im a bit over the song, as I've been playing it since the day it leaked months ago lol. I always thought it was really hot, though...so this does not surprise me. But I still think La Tortura is hotter.
I think the fact that she performed it on Idol also did wonders for her radio play.
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Post by tozion on Apr 8, 2006 19:06:18 GMT -5
#1 and #2 on Launch! |
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Post by Bastian on Apr 8, 2006 19:34:51 GMT -5
this song makes me want to wiggle and jiggle everytime I hear it  |
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Post by Bastian on Apr 8, 2006 20:06:04 GMT -5
is her album any good ? (i didn't like don't bother)
if not, i'm only going to buy the single.
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Post by tick / tock on Apr 8, 2006 20:07:32 GMT -5
is her album any good ? (i didn't like don't bother) if not, i'm only going to buy the single. Yeah, same with me. |
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Post by tozion on Apr 8, 2006 20:08:52 GMT -5
It depends on why you didn't like "Don't Bother". The album is incredible, but if you're not into that whole Cure vibe and you only like latin pop Shakira, you'd hate the album.
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